Varget and 8208XBR. 12-26-12, 22:33. Top #1688439 - 10/06/10 08:30 PM Re: ideal 223 barrel length [Re: SSG RED] sleddogg Die Hard Member III Registered: 04/18/03 Posts: 2103 Loc: … This makes the 7.62×39 a perfect candidate for very short carbines. 55 grain Midway dogtown hollowpoints, and 55 gn FMJBT hornady's. Now if you follow the physics, then barrel length, barrel ID, twist rates, etc. It matters not a bit to the bullet how efficent the powder burn is, all that matters to the bullet the time/pressure curve. 6 days ago. Short cut extruded, has about the same burn … I'm well aware a 223 round is "less" effective out of a short barrel, but I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to maximize the effectiveness of a 223 round out of a short barrel. Aug 19, 2019 #4 North Idaho Hunter said: I built a 22-250 ai. Norma 204 – Slow-burning for a wide variety of cartridges. hide. IMR-4198 produced the best results in the 10" Contender of the powders I tried (W-748, AA 2230, H-322 etc.) These four rifles, however, give a pretty good idea of what can be expected from the .223 Remington cartridge in barrels of different lengths. There is no magic combination, there is only what safely works best for you. Fitch. This is a bit of an old wives' reloader's tale that doesn't really happen. To test this, we used the same test platforms but with a faster powder. (Light bullets gain more.) So as the barrel … If you want a Mil-Spec clone, the 1-in-7 twist is the way to go. In most states of the U.S, it is illegal to use the .223 WSSM on medium game. RL 10X is a fast buring powder. Bottom line, the faster LT-32 (think 4198 speed), is implied to have a relatively cleaner and more complete burn compared to slower powders like CFE223 as the barrel gets shorter; but it wasn't that profound. and other medium-capacity cartridges. 223 reloaders Brownells has Hodgdon Powder Company CFE223 Smokeless Powder perfect for reloading 223 ammunition. 70 grain bullets @ 3175 FPS. RearwardAssist. 1. Heavier bullets won't stabilize in barrels with slow twist rates. Sent … With coupon code "TAG" and pick 8lbs for $172.99. Depending on the powder, brass, and barrel length, the Ackley version of the .223 Remington will, typically, deliver from 100 to 140 fps more speed with any given bullet. Yep, especially in a very short barrel. LOL! It is hard to beat 25 grains of H335 under anything from a 52-55 bullet with a 1/9 twist. With a 22LR CMMG conversion installed, it is a real hoot. I loaded them over 27 grains, and 27.5 grains respectively. Re: Whats your fav powder for 69gr 223 I just worked up a load for mine with 8208XBR.my load is 24gn in a Lapua case useing 450 CCI primers.had no pressure signs at all.but I would work up to this as I did.the Hodgdon web site shows 23.7 as a max load.and that my rifel is a 24 inch barrel 1:9 twist. I recently purchased a Ruger M77 Hawkeye compact for my wife. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. I use AA2230 and H335 in my longer barrel rifles. A2230, CFE223, and BL-C (2) are all excellent powders for 55gr projectiles and meter very well. Hand Loading With 55 grain projectiles the .223 WSSM produces optimum results when loaded with powders in the 4064/ Varget range. Nosler Ballistic Tips in the 10" T/C Contender Handguns. once again much thanks. So Benchmark is an outlier, a velocity spike amid the fastest powders. Share. and I also had the best performing loads with 40gr. 243 is an awsome do it all round. First, because of the relatively small powder volume versus bore size, relatively little performance is lost as barrel length is reduced. I had the.... pleasure... of shooting in an indoor range next to an AR pistol last weekend. ( experienced loaders ONLY) .55 gr. To get the same MV out of a shorter barrel requires higher average pressure for a shorter time which isn't going to happen with a faster powder because all the powders are constrained by the same peak pressure limits. A weapon is less likely to short-stroke with AR-C, and recoil is drawn out into more of a push. If all I had to shoot were factory loads, it would not be very pleasant. Peak chamber pressure occurs within the first 3-4 inches of bullet travel no matter the burn rate. I don't like lots of muzzle blast. Sometimes in today's powder-shortage market it comes down to finding the best that is actually in stock on the shelves of your dealer. it has metered well out of about every powder measure i have tried. Yeah... we ALL read about it in this month's guns and ammo magazine too! Velocity is respectable, but not the best. Using a faster powder … I second Winchester 748. of 3 Rivers.. W. Penna. I shoot my minis with these powders. I was a bit perplexed and disap-pointed in the low velocities of the Berger 40-grain bullet with all the powders tried, and with CFE 223 powder shooting Hornady 55-grain V-MAX bullets. Data is also in the newest Hornady #9 manual. You should always follow up a statement like that with the results you're looking for. One other powder that might work for you is IMR 8208 XBR. HEAVY BULLETS IN THE 223 REMINGTON. Tod Soeby. Posted: 8/18/2016 9:22:30 AM EST. Different weight bullets, specific powders? To … The other day I got hold of a second hand Remington 700 BDL in 222 Remington. There was an artical in PS about a million years ago on this very topic. level 1. all come into play in what powders work best for which rifles like the guys posted. With the min charge of H4198, it shoots with reduced recoil and flash, and is much more pleasant to shoot as a result. It seems logical that we should use a "faster" powder for short barrels but it's not so; what ever works 'best' for a longer barrel also produces the highest speed in shorter ones. I will be going down the route of Night Vision, so thought a rem 700 with weaver type bases,Quick detatchable mounts to go from day scope to night vision), maybe a HS LTR stock, with a cut down varmint barrel … As expected, performance with the heavier bullets dropped off to about 1850 fps, but the lighter bullets, with the faster powder … My thoughts upto now have been a 20 calibre, but on mulling things over, if I went for a shorter barrel,as short as 20")would a 223 be a better option,I would be putting a moderator on it, so no problems about increased muzzle report). … Norma 202 – Best for .308 Win. The hands-down best powders for a short .308 are IMR4895 (not H4895, they are different actually), Hodgdon Benchmark, and Hodgdon Varget. The 5.56 was designed for the M16, which features a 20 inch barrel, and the bullet uses all of this length to get up to a velocity of 3,000 feet per second. This rifle has a 16" barrel. It seems like a faster burning powder would not only be more efficient but cause less flash? The load meets FBI specs for penetration and expansion, even from Short Barrel Rifles. faster than the IMR powders according to Hodgon. With a 16" barrel choose powder for the bullet your loading. A 1/8 or 1/7 twist will handle 77s with ease. 6ppc was another choice, but the DBM thing and the brass thing kinda put the kybosh on it. In your case Hodgdon CFE 223 actually is a good powder and you can use Hodgdon on-line data to experiment with as previously posted. Sort by. I have reloaded the 243 Winchester for many years and have been a fan of IMR4350. pills in .233. That said, for your goal, I'd run something like LT-32, and run it on the warm side; since warmer pressure loads tend to have more complete (less sooty) burns. Here’s Why. I just worked up a load using 52gr SP and blc-2 and the point of impact from 25.6 to26.5 was about 1/4" @ 26.2 1 -3 shot group measured .440". Inside the casing, the primer detonation ignites the gun powder. I had a smith shorten the barrel and it actually cronigraphed faster! 50% Upvoted. That would be H335 instead of H355 wouldn't it? Location: Oragun-still clinging to my religion,guns,and sour mash!Livin near the most godless American city. share. In order from fastest to slowest, the powders included Hodgdon H-322, Alliant Reloder 10X and Power Pro Varmint, Hodgdon H-335, Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Alliant Reloder 15 and Hodgdon Varget and CFE 223. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. cfe 223 and blc-2 are a couple hundred feet a sec. Report Save. Also, pair your bullet choice to the task at hand, whether it be varmint or big-game hunting, target shooting or long-range shooting. It's made by Alliant. My Savage bolt shoots all my hand loads well. Norma 200 – Fast-burning powder for smallbore calibers such as .223 Rem. Peak chamber pressure occurs within the first 3-4 inches of bullet travel no matter the burn rate. the others listed are no problems, either... those two are just my preference. That's why I use RL10X. Q. QQQQQ Well-Known Member . From all the research I've done, Gold Dots in the 62 and 75 grain variety perform good out of a short barrel out to 200 yards. and large, low-pressure bores like .45-70. This forum section is about general reloading questions. The powders used had fairly broad burning rates. As jmr40 pointed out, all the powder is burned in a very few inches of barrel. 55gr nosler spbt same load was about 1" if that. Pretty much though same rifle change powders if you achieve the same muzzle velocity then you get the same results. Reply. This might seem odd, but my perception is that AR-C's burn rate is slower than 8208, but in the Grendel case, its max charge is slightly less than 8208. Sixteen inches is the shortest legal barrel length you can install on your black rifle if it’s not a pistol. LOL. Do you guys find any powders better for shorter barrel AR? Hornady SBR Ammo. AR-Comp has been the most accurate in the dozen or so barrels (and powders) that I've used. Most AR-15s use a 16” Barrel. Of those, good old IMR4895 provides the lowest flash signature and is the most temperature stable, which is really kind of laughable when you realize that the other two are billed as ‘Extreme’ and are supposed to be consistent across a wide range of temps. a few minutes of barrel cooling in between group shootings, and no bore cleaning in between, as that really contradicts the whole POINT of CFE223, doesn't it?!??! Joined Sep 8, 2006 Messages 114 Location idaho. level 1. My recommendation, would be, XBR8208, H322, or H335, or 3031. Sam, a faster burning powder will help because you can actually get a full burn in a 10.5" barrel whereas something like CFE223, Varget will not burn completely, and you are just blowing unburnt powder out the end of the barrel, thus you are not getting the full velocity potential for your setup.